Rounds Discusses Eliminating the Department of Education with Secretary McMahon

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) recently discussed plans to eliminate the U.S. Department of Education with Secretary Linda McMahon at a hearing of the Senate Appropriations Committee's Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education and Related Agencies.

"I am concerned, as most of the people on this committee are, with regards to the direction that education has been going nationally since the creation of the Education Department," said Rounds. "The latest scores from the National Assessment for Educational Progress, they're really kind of a national embarrassment. Two thirds of our nation's fourth graders can't read proficiently. Even worse, one-third of eighth graders scored below basic, the highest percentage ever recorded. That means these kids can't identify basic literary elements in a text. In math, the gap between high and low performing students is the widest it's ever been. The Department of Education was originally created to collect education data and advise state and local organizations on best practices, but it's really become a place, until you came into the picture, where it was a top-down direction-giving program. I like the approach that you're taking in returning it back to the states."

"Well, to your point, sir, in this proposed budget is $2 billion that would go as a block grant to states through a formula that'll be worked on," said McMahon. "What this will allow states to do that don't always participate in grant making because they maybe don't have enough money to hire grant writers, etc. But now all states will participate in money coming from this $2 billion. And then governors, state superintendents, state school boards will decide how this money should be spent in their state, where the greatest needs are, whether that's in rural communities. Whatever those programs are, they will be deciding how to spend that money."

Rounds has long been pushing to dissolve the Department of Education and return critical programs back to other agencies. He first introduced the Returning Education to Our States Act in November 2024 and reintroduced it for the 119^th Congress in April 2025. Rounds has met with McMahon multiple times to discuss this legislation, which aligns with the Secretary's plans for the Department.

Watch the exchange HERE. Read a transcript of the exchange below.

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Rounds: Madam Secretary, welcome. Let me just begin by saying thank you for taking the time to visit South Dakota and to talk about the goals moving forward with regard to the planning that you've got to deliver education decision making back to the states. Before I really get into that portion of it, I'd like to kind of share some concerns as well with regard to the TRIO program. I think this is one that a lot of folks have got some concerns with. And I would just ask that with the amount of attention you've seen here in this committee, if you would just commit to us that you would do the follow ups with it on some of the concerns that have been expressed about the loss or the changes to the TRIO program and that it is a sensitive area.

McMahon: Certainly will do that.

Rounds: Thank you Madam Secretary. I've appreciated your willingness to visit the issue of bringing the decisions for education back to the states, and your Returning Education to the States tour I thought was a really good idea. I like the idea that those decisions should be made at the local level. I think there's a number of areas within the Department of Education that we've been working on, through legislation, trying to divvy back out again to the departments that they were in before the Department was ever created. I like the fact that you've been working very hard at doing agreements with other agencies, in which you would take something which is currently with the Department of Education, and moving it back over to where it was before 1980. I like those ideas. We've introduced legislation that would do something similar and work our way back through, providing more block grant opportunities to the states with money, but then looking at specific areas such as impact aid and IDEA and so forth. Not block granting those things, but keeping those areas together in an office and the money with it. So, I just appreciate the way that you've focused on this.

I am concerned, as most of the people on this committee are, with regards to the direction that education has been going nationally since the creation of the Education department. The latest scores from the National Assessment for Educational Progress, they're really kind of a national embarrassment. Two thirds of our nation's fourth graders can't read proficiently. Even worse, one-third of eighth graders scored below basic, the highest percentage ever recorded. That means these kids can't identify basic literary elements in a text. In math, the gap between high and low performing students is the widest it's ever been. The Department of Education was originally created to collect education data and advise state and local organizations on best practices, but it's really become a place, until you came into the picture, where it was a top-down direction-giving program. I like the approach that you're taking in returning it back to the states.

Can you just, in a broad sense, would you like to share a little bit about what your vision is in terms of what the Department of Education should be like, as opposed to what it was when you found it, in terms of listening to the states and empowering the states, but not necessarily telling the states what they're supposed to do in a one-size-fits-all model?

McMahon: Well, to your point, sir, in this proposed budget is $2 billion that would go as a block grant to states through a formula that'll be worked on. What this will allow states to do that don't always participate in grant making because they maybe don't have enough money to hire grant writers, etc. But now all states will participate in money coming from this $2 billion. And then governors, state superintendents, state school boards will decide how this money should be spent in their state, where the greatest needs are, whether that's in rural communities. Whatever those programs are, they will be deciding how to spend that money.

It is a reduction in the total amount of dollars that are going. There are some programs that the Department has looked at that we have eliminated. We've also condensed about 17 programs into this block process. So, I think there is opportunity for states, you know, to take on this responsibility. And as a reminder, as you're aware, states provide about 93% of their own education budget. So, the amount that comes from, you know, the federal government is small by total comparison of the money that is spent in each state, you know, for its education process. So, I think the government wants to continue through Title 1A funding. We're recommending that's level funded. IDEA, we have, through our budget, proposed the greatest increase in a long time, a half a billion dollars for IDEA funding, and that includes $50 million for infants and children in their programs so that they're ready to accept these children who might have disabilities at birth or very early on. So I think that you know, the administration is showing that we're very concerned about our children and about education across the board.

Rounds: I appreciate your comments on it. I'm going to run out of time, but I did want to I just identify one more item on and that's Impact Aid. It's really important because that's the money that comes back to the states to replace what would otherwise have been property tax dollars and so forth that were found for like an area where on a Native American reservation or in an air force base, where it's the assistance to an area that may have federal lands that otherwise aren't taxed. And Impact Aid is really important to some of our more rural states like South Dakota. And I think one of the questions had been if it was to be delivered back out, would you keep it with a particular other department in terms of an agreement or an operational plan? Do you know where Impact Aid might end up or would you keep it within the Department of Education?

McMahon: We haven't determined that. Happy to get back to you on that. However, I want you to know that the Impact Aid dollars are going out on time where they're supposed to go.

Rounds: Excellent. Excellent. That takes a load off of a lot of these smaller school districts that really rely on that Impact Aid. Yes. I thank you for the attention to that matter.

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